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Wisdom of the Body

Oct 7, 2022

Listen to Susan Piver, New York Times bestselling author of nine books and insightful meditation teacher, school Heather on the enneagram from her Buddhist’s perspective, and at the same time, divulging the single most important thing to know in order to have a successful relationship. Discover how tools that help you understand the differences between people actually help you connect better with people. Get real about whether you want others to be what you want them to be, or what they really are.


In this episode, Heather and Susan discuss:

  • Why no one knows where the enneagram came from. 
  • Difference between exoteric vs esoteric teachings of Buddhism.
  • Why it’s such a painful time, and why things that have worked in the past may not work today.
  • Two ways to work with difficult emotions: 1) Get away from it, but then your world shrinks. 2) Go towards it, and expand to include everything you feel. 
  • How the enneagram, and other tools that help you understand the differences between people, actually help you feel love and connect better with other people. This can help you improve relationships. 
  • How the enneagram is different from Myers-Briggs and DiSC.
  • How a real relationship exists when you can answer the question, “Who is this person outside of my own mind?” 
  • What you can transform when you can see where someone else’s attention can go. Do I want you to be the person I want you to be, or the person that you really are? 
  • How to spot when you’re projecting. 
  • In order for another person to understand you, you have to know yourself. 
  • The benefit of being fully loved.

Susan Piver is a Buddhist teacher and the New York Times bestselling author of The Hard Questions, The Wisdom of a Broken Heart, Start Here Now, The Four Noble Truths of Love, and others. Her latest book is The Buddhist Enneagram. Piver has been a student of Buddhism since 1993. She is founder of the Open Heart Project, a virtual meditation community with 20,000 members all over the world. She lives in Somerville, MA, and Austin, TX. 

Heather Grzych is the author of The Ayurvedic Guide to Fertility and the host of the Wisdom of the Body podcast. A board-certified Ayurvedic practitioner, she teaches the Regenerative Fertility Method to support future generations worldwide. Heather is on the board of directors for the National Ayurvedic Medical Association (NAMA) and has consulted with doctors, governments, and insurance companies. She offers virtual consultations and programs worldwide.  

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